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thirty2flavors ([personal profile] thirty2flavors) wrote2008-10-12 04:38 pm

fic: nothing gold

Title: Nothing Gold
Rating: G
Characters/Pairings: Ten/Rose and Mickey, with mentions of Sarah Jane and Reinette
Spoilers?: Not for anything beyond "The Girl in the Fireplace"
Prompt: "Autumn" at the [livejournal.com profile] time_and_chips "Seasons Change" ficathon.
Summary: She can spend the rest of her life with him, but he can't spend the rest of his with her. (Set during Season 2, shortly after "The Girl in the Fireplace".)
Excerpt: Poetically speaking it was a sick but accurate allegory, and the letter that lay tucked into his breast pocket seemed impossibly heavy. Minutes for him, decades for her. Dead and gone in the blink of an eye.
Author's Notes: The poem alluded to in the title and in the fic is Robert Frost's Nothing Gold Can Stay.



They chose the planet of Maenestrehla for three reasons.

The first reason was that the Doctor was loathe to take them anywhere that might happen to have time windows opening into any portion of eighteenth century Europe, and as the people of Maenestrehla rarely expressed interest in any planet other than their own, it seemed like a safe bet.

The second reason was the absolutely spectacular display of colour that occurred during Maenestrehlan autumn. Situated on a hill, its capital city looked down on valleys on blues and purples, rock patches of pale pink mingled with spots of deep fuchsia and rivers of pale yellow.

The third reason was that Maenestrehla happened to sell ice cream of every imaginable flavour, and it was this reason that sold the idea to Mickey and Rose.

Typical.

“It’s like Harry Potter. Bertie Bott’s Every Flavour Beans!” the Doctor had told them eagerly, only to learn neither Mickey nor Rose had ever expressed any interest in the boy wizard. His faith in them took another blow when Mickey, presented with a virtually comprehensive list of flavours – a list including everything from mint to foie gras to alien fruits that no twenty-first century human had ever tasted before – chose vanilla.

Vanilla?” the Doctor had spluttered indignantly. “I bring you to a planet where you can have any flavour of ice cream imaginable and you pick vanilla?”

“It’s good!” Mickey had stubbornly protested. “Besides, most of these flavours shouldn’t even exist – who wants ham ice cream?”

Committed to proving a point, the Doctor had proceeded to order the ham-flavoured ice cream, and when he happened to drop the cone a minute later, it was tragic and entirely accidental and not, as Mickey seemed to believe, “on purpose”.

The two were ahead of him now, walking the winding path that overlooked the valley, lost in gossip about people the Doctor didn’t know. He trailed behind, hands in his pockets, watching and listening.

Shareen had a new boyfriend, a bloke named Daniel that she’d met at a bar. Someone named Will had unwisely quit his job in order to “make it” with his band. Amanda had left her boyfriend to be with another girl named Amanda. Sam was unemployed, Mike just bought a car, and Marla might be pregnant.

It was disturbingly like listening to the summary of a soap opera, the Doctor thought, and it was another flashing neon sign of a reminder that Rose was very young and very human.

Like he needed any more of those.

The last few days had been a non-stop deluge of reminders, really. First there was Sarah Jane, and though it had been wonderful to see her again, save the day with her again, run with her again, it had come at a price. It poked a hole in the carefully constructed bubble of ignorance he’d always chosen to live in with regards to his companions and his argument with Rose seemed to be stuck on loop in his mind.

(Humans decay.)

She was getting older, his Sarah Jane.

And then came Reinette.

Reinette had been a fascinating piece to a fascinating problem, and beyond that she’d been a bright and beautiful girl who dealt bravely with being thrust into a situation she was never meant to experience. She was captivating, that girl in the fireplace, and her death – her natural, normal human death – had shaken him to the core.

Hours. Her entire life had flickered past him in hours; she’d grown and aged and died before he’d changed his tie. Poetically speaking it was a sick but accurate allegory, and the letter that lay tucked into his breast pocket seemed impossibly heavy. Minutes for him, decades for her. Dead and gone in the blink of an eye.

(You wither and you die.)

Ahead of him, Rose laughed. She tossed her head back as she did so, her hair a golden-orange under the influence of the Manestrehlan sunset, and the sensation of dread that had shadowed the Doctor since the Krillitanes reared up, tugging at his hearts and settling itself in his stomach. She was growing up, Rose Tyler, fantastic as ever and more brilliant each day and yet –

He sighed, turning his gaze on the vast slope of blue to his left. It was beautiful, to put it plainly, a final dazzling show before the winter set in, cold and harsh and abrupt. Winter here lasted nearly the length of a full year on Earth, thick sheets of ice and snow burying the city and the valley below. For the Maenestrehlans this was ideal – they adored the cold, flourished in it – but for most visiting creatures it was uninhabitable. Their economy, so dependent on tourism, relied on the autumnal display of colour that lasted only three weeks of every Maenestrehlan year.

It worked. Thousands flocked to see the majesty of Maenestrehla in its fall, eating outrageously flavoured ice cream and sending postcards of blue forests. Thousands flocked to watch the leaves die.

Such splendour in decay.

“Oi, slow poke, you coming or not?”

Rose peered over her shoulder at him, a grin on her face and an orange drop of ice cream on her chin. Seeming to feel it, she stuck out her tongue to lick away the offending splotch, and the Doctor was fairly certain his left heart stumbled in its rhythm as she did so.

Looking at her, he tried not to think of the lines that had been added to Sarah Jane’s face – of Reinette, who'd aged and died while his back was turned – of the inevitable day when Rose’s bottle blonde would be replaced with gray. He tried not to think of each second spent with her as the wasting of some precious finite resource, some reservoir that, once dry, would leave him lost and damaged and so very lonely.

(Imagine watching that happen –)

Instead, he tried to focus on the present, on the grin she was giving him, the lively sparkle in her eyes, the pink tinge of her cheek, the orange hue of her lips from the ice cream, the golden sheen of her hair in the sunset, the way she could make his hearts do things they shouldn’t merely by licking her cheek –

(To someone that you –)

“Well?” she called, eyebrows raised.

Nothing gold, he thought grimly, even as he put on a manic grin and bounded forward, wedging himself between the two and looping his arms around their shoulders.

“Sorry. Lost in thought. Consequence of being very clever.” He beamed at the both of them, pretended not to notice when Mickey rolled his eyes, then released their shoulders to clap his hands together. “Now! How do you two feel about a beach?”

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-13 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
t was about how the Doctor could only take that chance on loving her fully with a human lifespan.

Yes! This! I always figured that was what we were supposed to take away from JE, and that's probably the reaosn I accepted that ending so readily. I just don't think the Doctor would be able to get over that, whether or not there were biological metacrises. (Incidentally this is a good portion of the reason the River plotline makes me go "what?" because even if I remove my shipper glasses and allow that Rose is not the be-all-end-all, I can't quite get past the fact that River does, you know, wither and die. Or she would, if she were not in some virtual reality for all enternity. BUT I DIGRESS.)

As far as Reinette, I tend to have mixed emotions regarding GitF as a whole, and looking at it this way definitely helped sort some of that out and (personally) I think it's more of an interesting take than just "oh she was hot, too bad she died".

It's almost twisted the way the Doctor sets this up as an excuse to never get close to anyone - not that it stops the pain when he loses them anyway. He just loses the chance at experiencing the joy in the interim.

That's what I think is so sad about the situation -- that he must realize it's not accomplishing anything, that in the end it always hurts regardless, but ultimately he can't convince himself it's worth it so he hides behind this "always all right" mantra.

And yes, I definitely think he'd have this sort of mental countdown, too.

Thank you!

[identity profile] sprout19.livejournal.com 2008-10-13 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
aww this is so sad and sweet - i love all of thr imagery especially, and the way you've summed up sarah jane and -immediately after- reinette perfectly... hehe and of course faced with so many flavours mickey would pick vanilla (very easy to imagine just like the doctors reaction to it... i love the mental image of him with a (presumably) pink icecream too -cute ^-^)
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[personal profile] christycorr 2008-10-13 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Knowing the Doctor, he probably went back in time to see the moment where JKR had the idea to write the books—and accidentally gave her the idea himself.

Oh my, Jackie totally is a Twilight Mom. I'd never thought of that before.

Yeah, she isn't, and nor is Donna. Martha is, though.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-13 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah looking back I found it interesting that we got Sarah Jane right before Reinette -- which of course is what leads to Mickey's joke about it, and while I've seen a few fics that focus on how Rose reacts to that, I hadn't really seen any that take this perspective.

And haha, I couldn't resist the icecream gag. LOL And the pink cone is cute until you realize it tastes like ham.

Thank you!

[identity profile] jellybean728.livejournal.com 2008-10-13 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
This was lovely.

JB

[identity profile] hysteriagalore.livejournal.com 2008-10-13 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
...and when he happened to drop the cone a minute later, it was tragic and entirely accidental and not, as Mickey seemed to believe, “on purpose”.
Ahahah!! I loved that line. Oh of course the Doctor can't ever, ever be wrong. :D Funny that the older you are the more childish you behave.

GitF always leave me with mixed feelings, because of the inconsistency with what he says in SR, but the way you write the Doctor's feelings about Reinette is lovely. Exactly how I'd like to think the Doctor sees her; he admires her strength, brilliance and courage.

So much is going on in GitF that I hadn't really considered that in a matter of hours for himself he sees Reinette grow older and he can't do stop her from leaving him. He must been terrified of going through that with Rose. *woe* Good point you've got there ;)

I love how this fic makes you think of Bad Wolf!Rose. He can die for her, save her life oh so many times but he'll never keep her from dying at the end...aw it's heartbreaking.

Guh I always seem to babble on for a bit too long. Next time I'll stick with "Loved it!". xD

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-13 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Initially i wondered if the entire ice cream scene fit in at all with the rest of the piece, but ultimately I loved the petulant argument between Mickey and the Doctor and the idea of ham-flavoured ice cream too much to cut it. So I'm glad you liked it! lol

I can't quite decide how I feel about GitF either, at least when it comes to the zillion mixed signals it sends Rose, so when this interpretation occured to me I was pretty eager to write it and try to make it work, because it makes the whole thing make a lot more sense (to me, anyway). I refuse to believe the Doctor has this omg!insta-love with Reinette, but I do think she would have been fascinating and definitely "companion material" and I think the fact that she dies so quickly is what would really gets to him. I dunno, I always thought he seemed disporportionately upset in GitF (he doesn't even give Rose any of that "always all right" crap! lol) and given how many people seem to die on him on a regular basis, I figure it makes more sense if there's something else going on under there. I think it's more effective if it serves as a reminder of Rose's mortality rather than just "oh man my French fling died, this is tragic!!!!" (Which isn't saying that grief over Reinette isn't part of it, just not all of it.)

I think his inability to prevent her from dying is ultimately the deal-breaker and ultimately why Journey's End, though bittersweet, is still the happiest ending any of them were ever going to get, Time Lord!Ten included; if he doesn't see her die he can just assume she's living happily-ever-after in Pete's World, whereas if she'd stayed he'd have to face that reality eventually, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest that contrary to Dumbledore, Ten really does think death is the worst possible fate.

Aw, don't apologize, I love the babbling!

Thank you!

[identity profile] dianaprallon.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
This is just made of -win-. Harry Potter reference? Win. Ham-flavoured ice-cream? Win. Actually making Reinette somethine believable? Win. And oh-so-very-angsty, but since it's you, no surprises there.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-14 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Why thank you! Yeah I couldn't resist the Harry Potter reference and I figured it'd look cheap if I used the "every flavour" thing without at least acknowledging Bertie Bott's. ...Plus I love HP-fanboy!Doctor. And Reinette is a weird situation, I don't even know what I think about it, but this interpretation of Doctor/Reinette was what gave me the basis for the rest of this fic, so hurrah.

And oh-so-very-angsty, but since it's you, no surprises there.

I'm not 100% sure if I should be flattered or insulted. I have like 3 different fics on the go that I was trying to work out when I wrote this, two of them humour and one of them angsty, so I guess if you count this one it's an even split. But I do maintain that angst is easier to write than comedy. LIRL It's much easier to be poetic about angst than ...y'know, actual happy things.

[identity profile] dianaprallon.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! It made my day when Shakespeare code included HP references.

Reinette is indeed a bit weird. It just took me a while to notice this since the first time I saw the episode all I did was staring and drooling over her and her fancy pre-revolutuonary french dresses. It was my boyfriend who told me it felt "wrong" and that he didn't like Doctor with another woman. (which, of course, I think it was very cute).

Well, it is a compliment. Most of your fics that I have read are angsty, so it doesn't surprise me. They are also very good, which also makes me think that you and angsty are a great pairing and it works well. As you said, it's easier to be poetic about angst than about happy stuff... And much more touching as well.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-14 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
OMFG YES. lol and DH made him cry. I love it. The "list of people the Doctor has cried for" is like .... Rose, the Master, Hedwig... Liz and I agree that Ten and Martha TOTALLY went to a release party (or two) dressed as Harry and Angelina.

I think the Reinette thing was... weird, yeah, I don't know. Obviously the Doctor/Rose shipper in me was displeased, so I can't really say how much of my wariness of that episode is because of my shippiness or because it was legitimately weird. I dunno Moffat's tendency for having his special snowflakes steal the spotlight, so to speak, from the presnt companion kind of irritates me. That said, Reinette as a character was alright, though it kind of makes me sad that the best kiss in the series thusfar has gone to a random one-off character, LIRL.

Like 95% of my HP fics are angsty, the percentage is slightly less for Doctor Who I think. Probably because the Doctor and Rose are like giddy school children, and that is fun to write, too.

And much more touching as well. Yeah. It's hard to make humour or fluff in an way significant. I do like writing comedy but it is harder to accomplish the "why anyone should care" aspect.

[identity profile] trustme1013.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
This was amazing. I really enjoyed the way you brought all of this together!

[identity profile] dianaprallon.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! I bet he was hooked up in DH33, and all the I-can't-have-the-woman-I-love theme. And, of course, I agree with you as well, but I bet he didn't let Martha get anywhere near DH -- spoilers!

It didn't irritate me with Jack or Sally, but it did irritate me with River (she isn't interessting) and a bit with Reinette, mainly because of the shipping. But at least she -is- interessting. And I have to agree with you that it was the best kiss in the series.

Doctor and Rose are cute and fluffy, but still, there's always a bit of angst in your fanfictions. And, well, I like angsty and I like how you do angsty.

It seems to be harder to get to the reader when you're just being funny or cute. I have to confess that you and winglessflight were the first to get me into writting -very- angst-y angst, and even made me want to try drabbles (I was actually very happy with the way they turned out)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-14 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I was quite pleased with the way it all ended up falling together.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-14 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
LOL And the angst of the "always" / "forever". Hahaha. You know he accidentally spoiled her for everything ever, anyway. Like she'd say something about Snape being evil post-HBP and he'd be like UM WRONG HE DID THAT ON DUMBLEDORE'S ORDERS I meannnn.... NEVERMIND.

Sally had to be the main character, so she's a little different, and Jack was a recurring character, but with Reinette and River it's a little annoying. Regardless, though, I don't think any of the companions ever really got their dues in his episodes.

And it really is. I wonder if this is because they were dating, LIRL.

Well, I think that's what I like about them, they're cute and fluffy and giggly and adorable but there's always this undercurrent of angst springing from situations beyond their control. It's fun to work with.

And it IS harder to get to the reader when you're funny/cute. I mean people like quick fixes of fluff but it's generally sort of pointless, which is why I always tie in humour with the fluff, but still. HAHA YES ANGEL AND I, SPREADING ANGST TO THE MASSES. Drabbles are fun! I haven't written one in AGES.

[identity profile] dianaprallon.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, the utmost angst of "always" and "forever", which happens to be one of myfavorite scene in the series (2 from the 5 scenes I like the best in HP doesn't have Harry in it, and that's saying something). I have no idea what would Martha do when she got spoiled -- I bet Donna would shout at him for hours about it, but Martha... I like her, but she's kinda... The worst companion of the new series.

Sally is smart, and cute, and a bit silly (Sally Shiption? Really?! That's very grey's) and Jack is very charming and there's no way to dislike him. Reinette is just... This girl, you know? She's brilliant, a bit mary sue-ish, and in the end you feel a bit glad about her dieing because she in the TARDIS would be annoying, even if you liked her enough in this episode. River, on the other hand, is just plain abboying the whole time.

I bet it was. It's a pretty hot kiss.

They are a couple who can have both the fluff and the angst, and that is very good to work with (I think the only other ship that comes to my mind that has both is Remus/Nymphadora, still.... Not such a great ship).

I have always been a angst-y writer (which is why I hate the fanfic I wrote for the christmans exchange), but after starting reading more angst (specially from you two) I got actually -depressive-.

Drabbles are challenging. I always find it really difficult to write something really small (it's like, the drabble is over and the scene goes on playing in my head)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-14 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I think if Donna and Rose were around, they would mercilessly make fun of Martha and the Doctor for being huge geeks.

Martha backed down too easily sometimes. I know it's beause she was lovestruck, but when I rewatch s3 episodes now I just miss Donna, because Donna would smack him and tell him to stfu if he was being an idiot, but Martha just kind of goes sadfaced and doesn't say anything. And season 3 Ten is kind of an idiot a lot. LIRL

Sally Sparrow! I have to disagree though, I don't like Jack much. I didn't care one way or the other in Doctor Who, but then in Torchwood he's just so freaking annoying that I have decided I dislike him. Reinette is Sue-ish and I'm always torn about whether I like her or not because she's okay, but she's definitely a Sue.

I heard in an interview once that Sophia Myles said something about keeping a Ten action figure in her purse, which is adorable and just a little bit creepy.

I cannot take fluffy Remus/Tonks. That ship is, in my opinion, 100% angst up and down. And illogical. And I don't realy like it. Lily/James is good for fluff/angst, though, because the way I see it it's the same in that there's no relationship angst, there's just the OH MAN WE'RE GONNA DIE angst.

I like to write a balance. Angst is easier so I like to write humour to make sure I don't just... write angsty oneshots all the time.

I really got the hang of it with HP, but I haven't even attempted any Doctor Who drabbles. None occur to me, I dunno why.

[identity profile] dianaprallon.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Well... Yeah. She was much more intelligent and therefore could understand him a bit better, but she's just not fun. She pines for him as if she was 15 years old and he was the most popular guy in school. That's just -sad-.

(Of course, Donna is made of awsome)

I like DoctorWho!Jack, Torchwood!Jack annoys me a bit, but no enough to make me stop liking him. Reinette is very sue-ish, but I'm not sure that's the writers fault: she was a bit sue-ish in RL.

It's cute, still, very creepy. I'd be worried if I were him.

I don't really like it, but I can see the fluffy stuff coming around while Sirius was alive, and all that. After that, it's an angst ride. And for some reason, although I can figure that Lily and James were full of fluff, I can't stop thinking about how they will die at the early age of 21. So, even when the story isn't angst-y, I feel it's sad, since we know how it ends. And it ends -really- bad.

I have a hard time writting humour, although I do fluffy sometimes just for the sake of fluffy. It's cute and heart-warming, but it doesn't ask too much of me.

I can't even think about writting doctor who fanfic, so... *laughs*

[identity profile] helygen.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
This is lovely. It's beautifully written - so poignant, and very poetic - and I love how you've tied that little conversation in to his thoughts and memories here. I also love how you 'explain' GitF, which now finally makes sense for me. Thank you!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-14 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I've decided it's not so much (or at least not just) the fact that she dies so much as it is how quickly she dies and the fact that her death is very normal and human and not the result of some dramatic event he'd have theoretically been able to prevent. For me, anyway, looking at it on this level - and looking at what it means for how he views Rose -- is more interesting than just "too bad she died, she was hot, I liked her", lol.

Thank you!

[identity profile] helygen.livejournal.com 2008-10-14 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I never thought of him as thinking "too bad she died, she was hot, I liked her" but I couldn't quite grasp why he was so deeply affected by her death. I'd put that down to the jealously possessive 'shipper in me, but now I can understand it more from his point of view.
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[personal profile] verdant_fire 2008-10-16 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Robert Frost FTW! “Nothing Gold Can Stay” is actually my favorite poem. <3

Committed to proving a point, the Doctor had proceeded to order the ham-flavoured ice cream, and when he happened to drop the cone a minute later, it was tragic and entirely accidental and not, as Mickey seemed to believe, “on purpose”.

LOL. I’m glad you figured out a way to keep this scene, because it is so Ten.

She was getting older, his Sarah Jane.

And then came Reinette.

Ahead of him, Rose laughed. She tossed her head back as she did so, her hair a golden-orange under the influence of the Manestrehlan sunset, and the sensation of dread that had shadowed the Doctor since the Krillitanes reared up, tugging at his hearts and settling itself in his stomach.


I really, really like how you’ve drawn the parallels here amongst Sarah Jane, Reinette and Rose. Even with their episodes immediately following each other, I’d never thought of them in this way before. I’m one of those who will probably never be able to accept GitF as in-character for the Doctor, but this helps. It definitely makes more sense in terms of continuity that part of the reason that Ten was so crushed by Reinette’s death is that it was just another reminder that Rose would suffer the same fate, and soon. I also like how the autumnal imagery reflects both that theme and the poem’s.

He tried not to think of each second spent with her as the wasting of some precious finite resource, some reservoir that, once dry, would leave him lost and damaged and so very lonely.

Aw, Ten. :( He totally does have a mental countdown to Rose’s death. He spends so much time “thinking joy into its coffin,” as Donald Miller would say. *hugs Ten*

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/ 2008-10-16 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, yay! I wanted people to know the poem but putting the entire thing in anywhere, even if only at the begining, felt clunky, and I don't know how many people actually read author's notes, but I figured there'd be a few who'd get it anyway. WHOO. lol I've had it memorized since we studied the Outsiders in seventh grade.

Pretty much I decided I had to keep that bit becaues I loved it too much. Mickey and the Doctor interacting never fails to amuse me.

The parallel just kind of occured to me on a whim and the more I thought about it the more I liked it, and the more I decided that was how I was going to interpret GitF, lol. I do find it hard to believe he's devastated by Reinette's death solely because in those couple hours they had an ~omg super special~ connection of ~love~, regardless of what Moffat wants me to believe; I think what probably got to him was the most was that her death was so normal and not the result of some ultimately preventable alien invasion or some grand sacrifice to save the world, she just gets old and sick and dies. While I'm sure on one hand it's nice not to feel partially responsible (for once), given the argument with Rose in the previous episode I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume the fact that he couldn't have done anything about it would ultimately be just as bad.

I watched the clip of the School Reunion argument a few times while writing this and the more I watched it the more convinced I became that this is a huge motivator for everything he does, ever. Pretty much everything in the universe seems to conspire to remind him that he'll ultimately lose anyone he gets close to, to the point where he avoids getting close to anyone at all (or at least he tries to, lol), and I think it's such an interesting bit of cowardice for an otherwise recklessly brave character.

[identity profile] hysteriagalore.livejournal.com 2008-10-16 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really glad you didn't skip that scene, it balances out the angst...very WHOish. :D

Are you kidding? You totally made it work, for one thing it's SO much easier to watch the episode now. Seeing it from this perspective I don't have that urge to bash Moffat's head in.

Though it is his way of writing isn't it? His "babes of the week" would make great companions but he tends to forget the companion the Doctor already have. I must admit that makes me a bit worried for the new season. I mean yeah I do get that I was watching Doctor Who and not the "Ten and Tyler show" but it really irks me the way he wrote relationships in that episode.

Yeah it definitely doesn't make sense for him to fall that hard, that quickly for some fabulous creature (since he's met thousands of that type before and technically he is one himself) without there being something more to it than her just being ZOMGAWESOME!!1eleventyoneone!

"oh man my French fling died, this is tragic!!!!"
LOL!! I read French fry at first and I was all: "wait...WHAT?" although I wouldn't put it past the Doctor to call her that if she'd made it to the TARDIS.

...ultimately why Journey's End, though bittersweet, is still the happiest ending any of them were ever going to get

Oh that's my sentiment exactly.
The thought of having "himself" live a full life with Rose is as close to happily ever after he'll ever get. Also I truly believe that TenII/Rose will have a more fantastic life than Ten/Rose because TenII can actually allow himself to love Rose properly.

._. Hah, this is starting to morph into my lengthy incoherent reaction post to JE and the Twin!Tens, then again who didn't write incoherent lj-posts about that mind fuck?

...That part that makes him half-human also enables him to be the kind of man that The Doctor can never be for Rose. He can, as alt!Ten, understand her in ways that he couldn't as Ten because he's now human as well. He can give her that normal life and he doesn't have to put up barriers to shield himself from the hurt of separation when she dies, because in the end he'll die as well.
...and I think that Ten has found peace in TenII/rose based on the fact that a)as you said he never has to watch her die b)he'll be watching over her as TenII and c)there's a foreseeable end to him now.

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